future NYC Subway


The futureNYCSubway

  1. Introduction
  2. IND Second System
  3. Post War Expansion
  4. The Second Ave Subway: History
  5. The Second Ave Subway: To The Bronx and the Nassau Line
  6. Brooklyn: Bushwick Trunk Line
  7. Manhattan: West Side and Hudson Crossings
  8. Queens: Flushing Trunk Line
  9. Staten Island: The Last Frontier
  10. TriboroRX and Atlantic Ave Super-Express
  11. Conclusion: the vanshnookenraggen plan

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  1. Your extension of the N to LAG should not go down Ditmars Bvd. For one thing, the sharp right turn at 31st and Ditmars is physically impossible. It needs to continue up 31st past 20th Ave, than right turn to 19th Ave, to the airport.

  2. Umm…label the stops so we know what names you have for your future stations.
    Also, I can’t tell the difference between original stops and new added stops.

  3. I think there should be a line from the 7 at 111th St or Mets/Willet Point(and even better – LaGuardia) to E,F,A,V and H and M at Union Turnpike. I believe such a line existed during the 1939 world fair. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IND_World's_Fair_Line If from LaGuardia it would provide access to the south and reduce the traffic on the #7 when folks have to backtrack to 74th St Broadway to catch the E,F, etc

  4. Maybe include a stop at Queens College – from Citi Field through Queens College to Union Turnpike comes to 3.15 miles. Of course, it would be underground.

  5. BEFORE I RETIRED, I WORKED IN LONG ISLAND CITY. I WAS CONSTANTLY RIDING THE E & G-TRAINS TO AND FROM MY JOB. I SPENT A LOT OF TIME WONDERING WHEN AND WHERE THE G-TRAIN WOULD GO IN MANHATTAN, IF IT EVER DID. WELL WONDER NO MORE, THAT BECAME OVIOUS WHEN THE 7-TRAIN ROUTE WAS EXTENDED. DID YOU FIGURE IT OUT? THE ANSWER IS: PAIR-UP THE F & M-TRAINS ON 63RD STREET AND THE E & G-TRAINS ON 53RD STREET. THE E,F & M-TRAIN DESTINATIONS REMAIN THE SAME AND THE G-TRAIN CONTINUES SOUTH ON ITS ORIGINAL ROUTE. THE ENTIRE NEW ROUTE FOR THE G-TRAIN WOULD BE: 2ND AVENUE & HOUSTON STREET VIA SIXTH AVENUE IN MANHATTAN-TO-CHURCH AVENUE IN BROOKLYN. IF THE NEED ARISES, THE F-TRAIN WOULD GO EXPRESS IN BROOKLYN BYPASSING CARROLL, SMITH, 4TH AVENUE, 15TH STREET AND FORT HAMILTON. THE ONLY THING NECESSARY IS TO RECONFIGURE THE UPPER-LEVEL OF THE COURT STREET STATION SO THAT THE G-TRAIN HAS A DIRECT CONNECTION TO DO THIS. THIS WOULD BE THE CHEAPEST AND ONLY ALTERNATIVE.

  6. WHEN THE COURT SQUARE STATION IS REFIGURED, IT MUST INCLUDE PROVISIONS FOR THE K-TRAIN AS EITHER A TERMINAL OR AN EXTENSION TO QUEENS PLAZA AND BEYOND.

  7. IT IS HARD FOR ME TO BELIEVE THAT THE S.A.S. COULD EVER BE DESIGNED WITH A X-TOWN 125TH STREET TURNOUT IN 1940. TURNOUTS FOR EXPANSION TO THE BRONX, QUEENS AND BROOKLYN I CAN SEE, BUT NOT MANHATTAN. DON’T FORGET, AT THAT TIME, THE LEXINGTON AVENUE LINE WAS RUNNING AND IT BLOCKED ANY MOVE TO THE WESTSIDE AND STILL DOES TODAY. HOW PLANNERS COULD OVERLOOK THIS IS HARD TO KNOW, BUT THEY DID. LUCKILY, THERE IS STILL TIME TO CORRECT THIS BLUNDER. SINCE THE Q-TRAIN IS NOW RUNNING, (1/1/17) THE COMMITMENT SHOULD NOW FOCUS ON THE BRONX, NOT THE X-TOWN 125TH STREET LINE. SINCE THE ONLY TWO-TRAINS WE’LL ARE THE Q & T-TRAINS, PHASE-2 MUST INCLUDE EVERYTHING FROM 106TH STREET-TO-149TH STREET. ONCE YOU GET TO 149TH STREET, THERE ARE TWO-DIRECTIONS YOU CAN GO NORTH. MELROSE/WEBSTER OR THIRD AVENUE BOTH TO TREMONT AVENUE AND THEN EAST. I CALL THEM MY “INSIDE” ROUTES. THE 2, 5 & 6-TRAINS BEING THE OUTSIDE ROUTES. PHASE-3 SHOULD BE EVERYTHING LEFT BETWEEN 161ST STREET & EAST 180TH STREET, NOT 63RD STREET-TO-HOUSTON STREET. THAT DONE, YOU CAN NOW FINISH LOWER MANHATTAN SOUTH OF 63RD STREET WITH 3 IF NOT 4-TRACKS. ITS MY CHOICE, BUT I FAVOR THE Q-TRAIN TERMINATING AT 125TH STREET & SECOND AND THE T-TRAIN GOING INTO THE BRONX WHEN THEY BOTH ARE RUNNING. CONNECTIONS/TRANSFERS BETWEEN PARK, LEXINGTON & SECOND AVENUES ON 125TH STREET CAN BE DONE WITH AN AUTOMATED LEVEL-ONE MOVING SIDEWALK. WHY DIG DOWN FIVE-LEVELS JUST TO ACCOMPLISH THE SAME THING AND WAIT ANOTHER GOD KNOWS HOW MANY DECADES TO COMPLETE? IF THE IDEA HERE IS TO EVENTUALLY HAVE THE Q OR T-TRAINS INTERGRATED WITH THE A, B, C OR D-TRAINS GOING UPTOWN, THATS A BAD IDEA. THERE ARE VERY FEW PEOPLE THAT TRANSFER FROM METRO-NORTH TO A SUBWAY TODAY SO WHY WOULD TOMORROW BE ANY DIFFERENT?

  8. I’m curious on why the triboro rx has to be one line. why cant it be an extension of many lines?for example the B could use the part from 161 st to Jackson heights-Roosevelt avenue.

  9. question:would it be smart to do the following on the queens blvd line:
    -have 3 local trains, the E,M,R on the line
    -have 3 express trains, the A,F,W on the same line
    -have the A/E go to Jamaica Center
    -have the R/W go to Forest Hills
    -have the F/M go to 179 st
    I know that the Queens Blvd line is extremely congested,but this would make it similarliy to the bushwick trunk line and would greatly serve midtown

  10. service would run as follows:
    phase 1-change the w train to express service from 57 street to forest hills making stops at 63rd street,21st street,jackson heights and forest hills and switch the e to local service .also extend the m train to 179 street
    phase 2-revive the h train from franklin ave on the s train,then after prospect park will run local on the q line then at coney island will loop to atlantic ave via the d line,then at west 4 street will switch to the a c and e line. after 50th street a new tunnel would run under the n q r and w train at 57 st 7 av then connect with the f and w at 63rd street and run parallel to the f and w to forest hills then follow the e to Jamaica center.service might be a little slower but passangers would greatly benefit from it

  11. the Q would replace the W and a new shuttle train would run from 125 St[if made before phase 2 of the sas then 96 st]and the h train would use the 53rd st tunnel with the m and the r and w would join the f train through 63rd street tunnel for budget cuts . due to these changes the following will be in effect until the tunnels are built

  12. H:at west 4 trains will switch to the 6th ave line and will run via the f to briarwood then follow the e train to Jamaica supthin archer
    f trains will run as normal
    R:on weekdays trains will run via 63rd street then switch to the local track.late nights and weekends at dekalb ave trains will run via the d to bdwy laffayette then switch to the local tracks.at 47 50 sts the train will join the the 53rd st tunnel and run via the e and m trains to forest hills
    W:weekdays will join the 63rd street tunnel and run via the f train to forest hills.late nights and weekends trains will be extended to bay ridge 95 street[4th ave local].service going towards queens will remain the same as weekday service
    f m and e trains service will remain the same
    n and q trains wil now have 2 northern terminals.also this will result in 2 extra services:local n and local q ,and express n and express q. express n and q will be the regular service.local n and q will run from 96 street to coney island . local n and q will run from Astoria dimtars blvd to coney island.

  13. by tunnels I meant the 2 new tunnels:the tunnel connecting the r train from either 42 or 49 st to the 53rd street tunnel and the tunnel from 50th st to 57th street[n q w]then would join the tunnel from 57 st 7 av to the 63rd street tunnel with the f and w

  14. 1. Avenue C. On Avenue C & 14 Street there should be a new station called Avenue C.
    2. Instead of abandoning the Jamaica Avenue Line you should make the P train head up Jamaica Avenue like the D dose in FutureNYCSubway 2016.
    3. I think the 1 should exstend from 242 Street to 261 Street.
    4. The 7 should stop at 23 Street & 11 Avenue called 23 Street – Chelsea Piers.
    5. Make the 6 or the 8 go down to Bowling Green.

    What do you think of these. Do you think there good. Please tell me the awnser please.

  15. 1) Ave C isn’t a good place for a station. First the tunnel is angled too much so the platforms would be slanted and second half the catchment area is water so you are wasting potential. An entrance at Ave A and 14th St to the existing station is all that is needed.
    2) That’s why I moved the D over.
    3) Good idea.
    4) Same as point 1, half the catchment is water so it would be a waste.
    5) Not enough space. From 4 tracks to 2 there isn’t enough room.

  16. Hey, Your website looks REALLY NICE with this new design.
    One Question though. When is the Next FutureNYCsubway gonna come out, similar to the first one, Versions 2-4 and FutureNYCsubway2016???
    WIll it be called FututreNYCsubway2017 or 2018???

  17. Thank you so much! I’m really happy with it. Truthfully I don’t know. I had planned on doing one after the track map was finished but with the subway falling apart I’m going to focus on a deeper look at the MTA’s problems and maybe an entry into the Genious Challenge. So it may be part of that. I’m not sure yet.

  18. So, YOU ENTERED IT TOO!??!?!?!??!?!?! If so, then I may have an idea or two

  19. If you ask me, the Lefferts Blvd (A), (E), (F), (J), (Z) and (7) all need to be extended to the Queens/Nassau border. It is just the Lefferts Blvd (A) should extend to Cambria Heights, and the (E) should take a different route to Cambria Heights, above the LIRR Montauk/West Hempstead ROW to St. Albans, then joining the (A) to Cambria Heights.
    The (J) is somewhat correct, but I would have it below the LIRR ROW to Hollis, then come above the LIRR ROW to Queens Village and Belmont Park – which is imperative to restructure the Queens Bus Network in Eastern Queens so that LIJ Employees have a direct bus connection to the (J) at Queens Village.
    The (F) should terminate at the Cross Island Parkway if it turns on Braddock Avenue.
    Then I would send the (7) as far East as Little Neck, which would increase service to the Q36 on Little Neck Parkway to a 7 day service.

    I say scrap the Union Turnpike Subway, as there would be better use as a feed from Triboro RX to the Horace Harding Expressway Subway to Oakland Gardens, which allows customers to feed into the Queens Blvd Local at Woodhaven Blvd.
    Then I would build a Bronx to Queens Subway line which would travel Eastern Queens above Springfield Blvd from Southeast Queens (JFK Airport) and alongside the Throgs Neck Bridge and above East Tremont Avenue towards Riverdale.

    The (3) train should just extend to JFK Airport above Linden Blvd and Conduit to service Cypress Hills Houses, Pink Houses, Linden Plaza, Lindenwood – Cross Bay Blvd and connect with the Far Rockaway (A) train at Howard Beach.
    I would have the (H) line from Rockaway Park to 2nd Avenue via the 6th Avenue line feed into the 63rd Street Tunnel via the Queens Blvd Bypass.

    The Utica Avenue Subway is correct, but I would rather it be the (B) line since the 2nd Avenue Subway would travel the Brighton Beach line.

  20. And if you ask me, the (Z) should separate from the (J) at Sutphin/Archer rather than Parsons/Archer. It appears to be a more direct route towards Rosedale than looping round to service York College just to go above the LIRR ROW.

  21. I don’t think the (N) and (W) needs to extend into LaGuardia.

    In reality, the (E) should be sent back to Hillside Avenue and have the Cambria Heights branch spur from the Hillside Avenue line with the (E) continuing East towards Queens Village, Floral Park and Lake Success (replacing the Union Tpke Subway). The Cambria Heights line would be an extension of the Queens Blvd Local (either a new (K) line from the (G) Crosstown – see below, or the (V) 6th Avenue Local line). The (F) would replace the (E) at Jamaica Center, and anyone continuing to Southeast Queens would transfer at Sutphin/Archer to the (Z) to Rosedale.

    The (7) line should become the (7) and (8) line, no need for the (8) to run along the (6) line and Lexington Avenue line, with the (7) extended East to Bayside and Little Neck, and the (8) to Union Turnpike via Fresh Meadows and South via Bell Blvd.

    There would be a Bronx to Queens Subway line travelling parallel to the Throgs Neck Bridge, and above Eastern Queens corridors, Bell Blvd and Springfield Blvd.

    The Lefferts Blvd (A) would be extended to Rosedale via Lefferts Blvd, Rockaway Blvd and above the Belt Parkway as a new faster route to Lower Manhattan.

  22. Hey, I have an idea for your next post, how about you talk about the major problems in the subway and what you think is the best way to improve it.

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